14) A strange mark often found on Italian black powder arms! By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. 10) Uberti name and address stamping from 1975. The cylinderis marked 55 and the Serial No. I have a black powder 58 cal riflr with the same cartouche is 3 "R's each inside the other. ASM puts that info on the bottom of the frame adjacent to the barrel lug when the datecodes were alpha characters in a rectangle. This mark was also introduced in 1950. Simi Valley, CA 93065. While the stock finish was mighty hard, it had none of the milkiness that Henrys rifle had. The lever springs out of a Uberti 73 are the same as the ones one of this 22.I am thinking it is a Uberti but me thinking is not always a good thing. 2405 PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun since 1856 Birmingham provisional proof for barrels since 1637 London definitive black powder proof for shotguns,muzzle loader barrels 1811-1892 Liege black powder proof for rifles 1897-1923 Liege black powder proof for rifles I take it that it was made in 1979, which sounds right, I bought it used in the early 1980's. It is a well made old gun. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. Frascarelli. I believe Henry Krank may have de-activated examples of these. e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 Got an older Navy Arms Remington "Zouave" with barrel mfg. 36 made in itlay. This restriction is made under protest, but we have to do this to comply with Californias infringement on the freedoms of speech and association of the NRA and our members, supporters, and the general public. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. A. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. All the controls worked smoothly, and our range session was most pleasant. Can you advise me as to where I could get this information? 0000036564 00000 n Where can I find them.Got a 22 cal I would like to find out about.1866,from Navy Arms no name or modle. If you take the grips off there could be a mark on the brass underneath. There is some pitting towards the muzzle end of the bore. Without photographs of all of the marks on the pistol it is difficult to identify - see my reply above. check out the. Even has the same box. And Dixie gun works Inc. On top of the breech area.?? Overall, the stocks are in Fine condition. We also tried, but did not record, Remington factory ammo and some handloads. It was sold through Beeman's catalog in 1984. 0000008724 00000 n The edges between them were sharp enough and, sighting along the flats, we found them to be dead level. Prior to 1954 the year of proof was stamped on the guns in Arabic numerals, but this new coding system was introduced around the time of the first reproductions. Could it be possible proof marks and makers marks were filed off of it. 3) Armi San Marco name stamp (1994) California recently rushed through legislation making it unlawful to communicate to those under 18 about broad categories of firearms, parts, and accessories. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. 0000051690 00000 n >RPo$Q2y4%TCpu352ji%:@"BHUSYX}n CQCY}B%I"T4~S-2 +{gzIE$Or}a;nY 98cjdi (1 D,)} To become a member $3 for one day $7 one month or $15 one year, One-of-a-Kinds ~ Antique and Collectibles, Metal Shank Buttons with Victorian Design. RIDGEFIELD N.J. MADE IN ITALY" and there are Italian proof marks at the chamber including the date code "AA". Does it have proof marks? Groups with the PMC averaged 2.3 inches at 50 yards off the bench. These guns began production in 1958 to be ready for the Centennial of the Civil War. +J+J+J+J4+J4+Ji4F`4F`4fCg~1x:4lCC6a` ? ? Metal to metal fit very precise, ditto for wood grips to back strap. it has a dove tailed rear sight and post front sight. It will come as no surprise then to find that the Italian Proof House is also in the valley. The bottom tang has a proof mark with a "U" inside of it. Englishmen are not CITIZENS, they are SUBJECTS! Hi, Dennis Rooster Cogburn. Without seeing the pistols it is difficult to know exactly what they are. Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. 0000038657 00000 n As with all previously owned firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards. 0000012277 00000 n there are no marks anywhere except serial #xxx on bottom of barrel below base pin. 2) It is not unusual to find one or more of the Proof marks lightly stamped. These revolvers are extremely collectible. Our Assessment:This Uberti replica of the Remington Rolling Block pistol is a single-shot pistol chambered for more modern .22 Hornet rounds. 0000004123 00000 n 0000003341 00000 n Both use small lettered stamps Cirmarron tends to place the . Yes, that can be confusing, but we did like the 1860 Henry by the Italian maker better than we did the namesake brands gun. there is no calibre or name on it. Same serial # is under grips on frame as on bottom of barrel. By Dear Friends, Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. They made two versions of the Colt 1855 sidehammer revolver, one in .31 calibre and the other in .36. I'm looking for information on what models of revolvers were made by Palmetto Arms. See Attachment 4. Each and every one of these guns must undergo testing at the Proof house and be stamped with the appropriate acceptance marks. )9/q3YgYHH}c. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. I have a Palmetto leaflet somewhere and if memory serves me right there are photographs of a Colt 1860 Army and a Dragoon. All markings are from Italy in 1982. We found the barrel flats to be properly done. This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. Most members even possess Colt Percussion Clones, by Uberti & Pietta.. The stamp is not a part in the serial numbers, and it is normally found on Frame in [ ] brackets. ITALY. If you can send some pics of the guns and close ups of the marks to the magazine they should forward them to me and I may be able to help. I have a 62 cal, shield inlay, short stock, palm tree markings, liverpool on the side plate. Cherry's Fine Guns Home Page Commemorative Firearms, https://www.colt.com/Customer-Services/Archive-Services, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel. The same rulses are more or less applied today. There are some light nicks, scuffs and handling marks on the pistols metal surfaces. Thank you. Great find and it's worth preserving this very collectible piece. The proof house marks and manufacturing code are stamped elsewhere on the gun. This stands for Armi Chiappa in reference to Rino Chiappa, the companys founder. The rifle had the caliber marked just behind the rear sight on top of the barrel as "45 COLT." The left side of the barrel had the importer's name and Uberti's name tastefully small. Recent Euroarms pistols have been observed with a new mark which looks like a letter N surrounded by four triangles. Ubertis 1860 Henry Rifle Trumps Henrys Original Lever-Action, Sturm, Ruger Rolls Out Significant New Pistols, Revolvers, and Rifles, Ruger American Long-Range Target (LRT) 8378 22 LR. I have 1858 Remington in .36 cal and it has pr eie or rp eie Italy b1766 stamp on the bottom of the grip the other marking say it was made in 1972 I was wondering if any body might be able to tell me what company made it if they can email me at . The walnut stock had some lovely tiger-striping in it that our photos might not pick up, and inletting was excellent. 0000004339 00000 n 0000051711 00000 n The markings remain clear. Uberti makes five versions of this rifle. There are no chips or cracks. 0000002445 00000 n To my amazement, I found another Uberti/Colt .22 single action at Collector Firearms' web site . Gunmart.net is the largest shooting resource and review based website, using the resources of Britain's biggest and most comprehensive magazines - Gun Mart, Shooting Sports and What Gun. Thanks. It consists of the letters dp inside an oval and is usually followed by the name DAVIDE PEDERSOLI or PEDERSOLI. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. gSchf41,%0&nMF;RD}|MY3-!!6m"m._Z8eGW7F]_[jGFS/`L{U\_&?4c@4xhZ+FGmLQA!^D9`xk'3'SL`AbE39a1Xl72t1Hl>|l lX3r7 @^o5I+u`,cB|H^iaPcbxW|)skz5UXx?8|qAo:"QUvbsd,!BD_Z6R'z~oAWF|1b+Q5,J[D:Spx%Ojoqo[$4gxcX-)I._[2$)Kfk4Z?X-DNP[I1bv(~SE_m6#O. In the early days of the Navy Arms / Uberti connection, Gregorelli actually produced the metal parts for the revolvers and Uberti assembled them. Thank you. 0000039418 00000 n 1) An example of a full set of Proof and makers marks on a Pedersoli pistol. It just seems that a little more care in their placement could result in more acceptability and perhaps more sales to the purists. I have a Uberti made .44 Mag. If you don't Facebook PM me the details of the rifle and I'll make sure he gets it. Recently bought a Uberti Walker with a CB date code, so I'm pretty sure about those last two codes. Caliber looks like 45. 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The right side of the chamber is marked CAL. The front sight was also identical in contour to the other rifle, and had a flat-topped blade insert of somewhat shiny metal. FREE! These are very scarce and near impossible to find in such fine original condition. The sights were identical to those found on the Henry Henry, the rear having all the same little cuts, holes, notch contours, elevation slide and markings as on the other rifle. This is one of the first Uberti made replicas that Val Forgett had imported. I copied this form the CAS City forum. Another well known name here in the UK is that of Pietta, and their logo is a diamond containing the letters FAP often accompanied by the name F.LLI PIETTA. The letter is signed by Maria Laura Uberti of Uberti USA, Inc. and states that these revolvers were made for Colt Firearms as prototypes by my father Aldo Uberti. If the pistol has no visible marks it is almost impossible to determine the manufacturer. i Have a black powder pistol with the star circle over PN with AC in a square next to it and the crossed rifles with the star circle over it and it has 2115 R a P over an R and FTE Italy on the butt. The most famous of these is probably Ubertis representation of the muzzle of an octagonal barrelled gun, showing the front sight and rifling in the barrel, with a letter U in the bore. Partly because of that problem and partly because of the high price, $2300, we gave the rifle a Grade: C rating. We tested mainly with PMC cowboy-type ammo, which is a mild load with a hard lead bullet. <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>> HMo09..0pl4jub(FZf=~$ABP(XLP The Italian proof house has a book out called "100 anni di prove"/"100 years of proof" that shows this mark as belonging to a Sarezzo company called "Fusav di Bini & Baronio", founded Oct. 13, 1977, but I've got no other info on them. On butt frame stamped 4809 (serial number?) There is no Roman numerals on this 1851. r2 e< 1{Vk)} 0000050678 00000 n 0000001196 00000 n 0000007642 00000 n It was made in 1980 and has all of the standard proof marks but I don't know who manufactured the rifle. were all sharp enough to cut the hands. If thats not true and the dull case coloring offends you, rub the parts with cold blue and call it good. It has a brass frame, trigger guard and back strap, 1851 style -no top strap. There were no other markings on the rifle. Of course, original Henry rifles were never chambered for anything but the 44 Henry Rimfire, so whether you choose 44-40 or 45 LC for your modern 1860 Henry is of no consequence. On a visit to the Uberti factory I saw an example of an aged Colt 1860 Army revolver and had it not been for the Italian marks it could very easily have passed as an original. 0000050889 00000 n I have 2 revolvers one 36 the other 31 cal. Just wondering what firm F.A.R.A was/is? The order was signed J. 0000110238 00000 n To our knowledge that problem does not exist with the 44-40 version, so if you opt for this caliber, use some sense in choosing your ammunition. The original rolling-block pistol was based on the split-breech carbine invented by Joseph Geiger. 0000038284 00000 n 13) Were it not for the proof marks this Uberti could easily be passed off as an original Colt. HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] 8) A variation of the DGG stamping on Armi San Paulo or early Euroarms products. 0000057983 00000 n I was recently given an Italian made.58 Remington 1863 "Zouave". 0000001770 00000 n [CDATA[*/var out = '',el = document.getElementsByTagName('span'),l = ['>','a','/','<',' 109',' 111',' 99',' 46',' 108',' 105',' 97',' 109',' 116',' 111',' 104',' 64',' 57',' 51',' 56',' 48',' 51',' 53',' 95',' 100',' 121',' 111',' 119','>','\"',' 109',' 111',' 99',' 46',' 108',' 105',' 97',' 109',' 116',' 111',' 104',' 64',' 57',' 51',' 56',' 48',' 51',' 53',' 95',' 100',' 121',' 111',' 119',':','o','t','l','i','a','m','\"','=','f','e','r','h','a ','<'],i = l.length,j = el.length;while (--i >= 0)out += unescape(l[i].replace(/^\s\s*/, '&#'));while (--j >= 0)if (el[j].getAttribute('data-eeEncEmail_RXYbuCMoMg'))el[j].innerHTML = out;/*]]>*/ I live, eat and breathe Black Powder revolvers, and enjoy comparing notes with other shooters! Remingtons New Model Army revolver is also a favourite and we have seen single and double action Starr pistols and lately a Whitney Navy revolver. Finally, as a collector of antique weapons, I have to say that I would not like these marks to be omitted entirely. Some kind of a star over a shield, a star over PN or PSF? The barrel pictured is a perfect example as it bears all of the Italian proof The above manufacturers turn out tens of thousands of firearms each year and most, if not all, of these weapons are copies of those used and made in nineteenth century America. We accomplished that with a Sharpie, and that helped our groups. The screwheads have strong slots and remain serviceable. The top of the barrel is marked A. Another Brescia based company, Armi Sport, marks their guns with AC within a circle. The Old Model started production in 1861 with the slightly improved New Model Army coming out in 1863 . Mine is just as you described yours, except that between the lever and lifter screws on the bottom of the receiver is the familiar Uberti symbol, A "U" inside the muzzle end of an octagon barrel. The little button behind the loading lever had distinct stops every 90 degrees, a feature was missing from the previously tested version. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. Thank you. That's your build date. was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. Very nicely finished. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers . Aldo Uberti S.r.l. 0000011827 00000 n 4. 0000039439 00000 n The right side of the frame is marked 04919. Markings:The left side of the barrel is marked NAVY ARMS CO. RIDGEFIELD N.J. MADE IN ITALY and there are Italian proof marks at the chamber including the date code AA. 0000007017 00000 n It was not rust bluing, but looked close enough to it to satisfy us. The reason for the missing letters in the sequence is unknown. I still adore my Uberti but my Henry Original is hands down the superior rifle of the two reproductions. The magazine held 13 rounds, despite the manual saying it was 10. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Delivery of item will be in 3 - 6 business days to Continental USA. The Italian proof marks should have a rectangular or square box with a date code in it. There will be two proof markings and a date mark in at least one location on every firearm. On the top of the barrel, an inch in front of the rear sight, was "PATENT. We did not fire this pistol. 0000067226 00000 n 0000011515 00000 n Code numbers, catalog numbers, model names, calibers and barrel lengths were detailed. Copyright 2023 Aceville Publications Ltd. The "1858 Remington" is a modern collector's term for the Remington New Model Army. Wed buy this one instantly if we wanted a brass gun for fun. stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG not clear. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. this ? Italian proof mark is rather straight forward, normally one . 0000004778 00000 n A chart of Italian proof marks is Attachment 1. Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took it out.It was said to be a Uberti but it does not have Uberti on it anywhere.I have had 4 Uberti 22s and this one is the only one with out Uberti on the tang.It is the smoothest and you can run it faster than any of the other ones. 6) Piettas logo and name stamp. was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . You are using an out of date browser. It had an extremely heavy trigger pull. If you wish to send some photographs to the magazine I'm sure they will forward them to me and I may be able to help you more. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. thank you. %PDF-1.4 % (Most are Zoli, and are good. ) The Trapper 342910 in 45 Colt has an 18.5-inch barrel, a brass frame and buttplate, and a case-hardened lever. Posted December 23, 2014. 0000003864 00000 n I like the Uberti's use of discrete placement of proof marks. In short, put the lever anywhere you want it during the loading process, and it will still take a full cycle of the lever to get the first round into the chamber. x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream However, a shoulder on the bullet will never help matters. Box 275, McGregor, IA 52157, ~ Ring Us at 563-873-2387 or TOll Free at 866-259-9172. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. "CAL. I have always wanted one of my own so about 12 years ago I purchased a Uberti 1860 Henry and absolutely loved it! 0000003080 00000 n 0000004861 00000 n
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